15:08:36 [MrZenith] so, I have no idea what's been going on during the last few (understatement of the year) chats, so could anyone fill me in?

15:10:12 [krisrussel] still the same...discussing the paths of the GGL's and finding ways to promote tP...

15:11:29 [MissParker] we also have a roster being put together of people to email Fox, 1 person per day...kinda thing...

15:11:48 [MissParker] SO...now is the time to volunteer for that!

15:13:10 [MrZenith] sure, I'll volunteer *feels guilty that he hasn't been to the fox forum in months*

15:13:40 [MissParker] yeah you should feel guilty...Fox will be read-only from July 1st!!

15:14:20 [MrZenith] so I've heard...

15:14:44 [krisrussel] it blows

15:14:53 [MissParker] Ok....so perhaps we should get to the item on our agenda which is directly related to Fox forum becoming read-only...our GGL Sims' blogs

15:15:12 [MissParker] yes, it does...feels like they are dissing us!!

15:15:21 [Mira] *eyes the agenda then*

15:15:50 [Mira] Oh, the tP fox forum you mean?

15:16:24 [MissParker] So...we have to agree on a forum to continue blogging our Sims...my vote is for the Campaign mb which is always reliable....unlike CPF which has not been reliable lately...any other suggestions...

15:16:32 [MissParker] Yes Mira,...that's the one...

15:17:11 [krisrussel] campaign mb?

15:17:22 [MissParker] I guess you frequent other forums there...hey....that's gives me an idea...we can keep posting at Fox...on other forums....to continue to make our presence known....and our identity as Pretender fans without a Fox forum!

15:17:32 [MissParker] http://thepretenderfans.com/mb

15:17:41 [Mira] Hmm, a bit silly of them. We certainly could use some kind of stable forum.

15:18:34 [krisrussel] oh, didn't even know about that forum...

15:18:40 [Mira] aha, that is the better substitute, at that?

15:18:48 [MrZenith] the campaign mb seems stable enough, and it's easier on the eyes, too. the only downside is that as far as we know, no ptb visits it regularly.

15:18:55 [Mira] I so hated the fox forum disposition, it drove me nuts.

15:19:46 [Mira] Well, before the fox forum goes read only, we need at least one solid thread with loads praising a certain forum then

15:19:46 [krisrussel] it does look like a good forum...

15:19:55 [Mira] But I bet that's been taken care of already?

15:20:01 [krisrussel] on what other forums do the ptb come??

15:21:33 [MrZenith] I haven't heard anything about them visiting any tP forums outside fox, which isn't good since it's turning read-only.

15:22:01 [krisrussel] just registered on the mb forum :^)

15:22:11 [Mira] Well, some posts praising the userfriendlyness of that forum then... saying at least fox keeps things read only... but the fans will go on!

15:23:22 [krisrussel] yup, we will go on!

15:26:04 [Mira] *eyes that forum*

15:26:42 [Mira] I see there's an add your site sub section, but it'd make more sense with a stickied post that all can post stuff to, and that the start of that post is a summary of pages.. 'cause scrolling through posts one by one..

15:27:08 [Mira] MP, you and Chelle are admin/mod people there?

15:29:52 [Mira] Us OCD people, we'll never leave the rest of you alone

15:30:23 [MrZenith]

15:30:47 [MissParker] Yup...Mira...Chelle is admin, I'm just a global mod...I'll mention to her your suggestion...it is a good one...if it is possible...

15:31:19 [Mira] It should be, most php forums have stuff like that

15:31:33 [MissParker] Yay kris....and I agree Mira...it's good that Fox keeps things read-only...better than nothing...we will definitely go on!

15:32:00 [MissParker] ok Mira...I need to email Chelle soon...so I will definitely let her know.

15:32:06 [Mira] ..and some different categories, like media/fanart/fanfiction/misc and general fanpage or some such could be applied for sites..

15:32:50 [MissParker] yes, we would def need to add some more categories...because it was originally intended mainly for campaign stuff...

15:33:12 [krisrussel] yeah, with those extra categories it could be a full replacement for the fox forum...

15:33:33 [MissParker] nope we actually do not have a thread "praising a certain forum" Mira...want to go for it!

15:33:46 [MissParker] I better send the email to Chelle now...before I forget...

15:34:00 [Mira] Well, I'm not a regular poster, I bet it'd be more strategical for someone who posts a lot to post that, more chance of it being read

15:34:53 [krisrussel] gooe idea MP ;^)

15:35:22 [MissParker] true Mira...

15:37:49 [Mira] btw, that forum, do they have a chat?

15:38:38 [Mira] 'cause irc is nice *whistles biasedly*

15:39:52 [MissParker] btw, anyone who wants me to add them to the forum...I can do that...just tell me...and as long as I have your email addy I can do it for you...if you're not already a member...nope Mira...no chat for the forum.

15:40:28 [Mira] You can tip Chelle of you know what channel

15:40:47 [Mira] I just regged there

15:41:07 [krisrussel] I just made my first post on the forum :^)

15:41:08 [Mira] My keyboard is supposedly waterproof, but I don't want to test just how true that is on purpose...

15:41:40 [MissParker] ok great...of course I will tip everyone of the channel...I've sent IRC info to the campaign group before...

15:41:45 [MissParker] yay kris! for your first post!

15:42:30 [MissParker] yay Mira for registering!

15:42:54 [MissParker] and Mr. Z!  Wow you guys are very fast!

15:43:36 [MissParker] lol @ Z's sig

15:46:45 [krisrussel] yup, lol @ Z's sig :^D

15:47:01 [MissParker] So... shall we agree to continue blogging for the Sims at the Campaign mb then? Welcome back Z! Didn't realise you had left! lol

15:48:01 [krisrussel] I agree to blog there...

15:48:31 [MissParker] Z...how about I make you a global mod so you can help me with the bad spammers?

15:49:01 [MrZenith] I wouldn't mind that, if it's needed.

15:49:31 [MissParker] Mira & kris, would you like to be a mod too?

15:50:55 [krisrussel] sure

15:51:44 [MissParker] ok kris...

15:58:06 [MissParker] Ok...I created a new category called "The Pretender Fans" for general "tP" discussions...any suggestions for child boards?

15:58:21 [MissParker] kris, you're the new mod for the new Mixer board

15:59:29 [krisrussel] thx :^)

16:00:13 [MissParker] yw ... and the "Games" board too

16:01:32 [Mira] MP, if someone wanted to post new and specific fan stuff, like fanfics fanart etc, should they only post their overall account name at some site, or where would they post the current stuff? Or could that go to the Mixer in subsections? Or would you rather keep focus at the campaign stuff?

16:03:09 [krisrussel] whoopie... games :^D

16:04:18 [MissParker] I think you can post some current stuff ....as long as you keep it to a sample, i think that would be acceptable...I should make a board for Fanart in The Pretender Fans category...shouldn't I?

16:04:38 [Mira] Yeah, I figure it's better if there's a specific subforum if so

16:04:41 [MissParker] I guess I don't really need Chelle to add boards...just for the spam bot stuff...

16:04:45 [krisrussel] is there already a Quotes game going on??

16:04:51 [Mira] So those that don't want to read/see etc, need not wade through that if they don't want to

16:05:01 [Mira] Specific subforums even

16:05:04 [MissParker] ok...will do now..

16:05:16 [MissParker] can you give me some specific names?

16:05:26 [MissParker] for the subforums you think we should have?

16:05:56 [Mira] At least: Fanfiction and Fanart

16:06:28 [krisrussel] yup those two really have to be there...

16:06:48 [Mira] Not sure where video stuff would go, it's an inbetweener.

16:07:32 [krisrussel] so, is there a quotes game going on on the forum??

16:07:45 [Mira] Oh and, also have some descriptive text so people understand it is for current stuff show off. So they add the sites themselves to the Add site section.

16:08:21 [MrZenith] kris, it looks like you're free to start.

16:08:34 [krisrussel] yeah, think so too :^)

16:09:37 [Mira] ohdear, I see I am a mod

16:09:40 [MissParker] Alrighty Mira...got it...will do...

16:09:44 [MissParker] lol Mira!

16:09:49 [MissParker] yes you are...

16:10:40 [Mira] hmm, I wonder if it would be better to have them as own upper forum sections like Mixer, ie a specific Fanfic and Fanart sub part that is visible from the start.

16:11:08 [Mira] As when I think of it, not all are that patient, and if they don't immediately see those words, they might post somewhere else.

16:11:27 [Mira] What do you others think? Am I making sense?

16:11:51 [MrZenith] You are making sense.

16:12:09 [krisrussel] yeah, you are making sense... and I thik you have a good point;...

16:12:32 [Mira] However, videos and other nonart and fic stuff, will still get caught inbetween.

16:13:07 [Mira] But perhaps then name fanfic section "Fanfiction & Musings" and fanart "Fanart & Media" to cover the bases so to speak?

16:13:19 [Mira] ..or something similar along those lines..

16:13:42 [MissParker] Well, I added a separate one for vids...I figure the rest can fall in the general area...?

16:14:02 [Mira] I just can't come up with anything better than "musings"

16:14:11 [Mira] Ah, goody MP

16:14:47 [MissParker]

16:15:58 [MissParker] I understood what you said, Mira...but once they click on the "mother" the child boards come right up so...even if they missed that they were listed in the first screen, they can't really miss them after...is that ok?

16:16:00 [krisrussel] "Fanart, Fanfics and other fan stuff"

16:16:17 [Mira] Yes, it is

16:16:36 [Mira] Focus kept at the campaign yet all the other side stuff we do whilst biding our time can be there too

16:16:48 [krisrussel] I still think it deserves a board of its own...

16:17:00 [MissParker] what does kris?

16:17:28 [krisrussel] the fanart and fanfics and stuff

16:19:14 [Mira] Now those childforums are visible as text though. So people should be able to catch on?

16:19:51 [MissParker] They do...they have child boards...i think people should be able to catch that...

16:20:12 [MissParker] A child board is still a board...

16:20:50 [MissParker] We have new Fox addresses to assign...to those willing to send a letter...

16:21:00 [MissParker] just to mention before we forget

16:21:13 [MissParker] kris, are you ok with the "child boards"?

16:21:35 [krisrussel] yeah sure

16:21:52 [MissParker]  Good!

16:22:09 [MissParker] Any other child boards you guys can think of?

16:22:23 [MissParker] for the pretender fans section?

16:22:48 [Mira] Oh, poll possibilities there?

16:22:49 [MissParker] kris, will you start the quotes game for us?

16:23:09 [MissParker] all boards have poll possibilities...as far as I know...

16:23:23 [Mira] If so a specific poll section perhaps.. The traditional "what series is your fav", "fav eps and so on"

16:23:32 [Mira] err, season even

16:25:30 [MrZenith] Humm? Empty section?

16:26:01 [MissParker] Do we really need a specific poll section? What do you mean by "empty section" Z?

16:26:10 [MrZenith] Ah, got logged out.

16:26:28 [MissParker] let's take a poll on that

16:26:42 [Mira] btw, not to be overly stern or anything, but the Help Desk does have some threads that aren't that helpdesky

16:26:49 [Mira] *giggles* yes, a poll!

16:26:52 [MissParker] how many think we need a specific poll section...

16:27:08 [Mira] * Mira raises hand

16:27:17 [MissParker] lol Mira! that's ok you can be stern...i will have to take a look..haven't been in that section for a while!

16:27:25 [MissParker] Yes Mira...you may "speak"!

16:27:36 [krisrussel] I already started the quotes game MP

16:27:46 [Mira] Would be nice to gather most pure poll stuff there, so one wouldn't have to hunt them down.. and then discussions usually ensue..

16:27:58 [Mira] Swedish ok too, MP?

16:28:06 [MrZenith] Makes sense.

16:28:18 [MissParker] oh...i see your point...ok you win, will have polls board...

16:28:20 [krisrussel] yeah Z, I got logged out too.. was weird...

16:28:23 [MissParker] Yay kris! for the quotes game!

16:28:34 [MissParker] did you two get logged out of the forum?

16:28:39 [Mira] As those "what are your fav..." usually tend to get picked up over and over..no?

16:28:39 [MrZenith] * MrZenith contemplates translating the entire board into Swedish...

16:28:44 [Mira] hahaha

16:29:24 [Mira] "Minutes to stay logged in" prolly has something to do with it

16:29:31 [MissParker] give me a quick description for the poll section, pretty please....

16:29:33 [krisrussel] yep the forum... logged out... weird

16:30:04 [MissParker] ok Z...that is weird kris...did you check the amount of time that was set for you to be logged in?

16:30:16 [Mira] "Voice your opinion in this polls galore area!"

16:30:34 [MissParker] ok great. ty Mira!

16:30:56 [MissParker] Guess who is a mod there!

16:31:22 [Mira] haha

16:31:42 [MissParker] ok...anything else I am forgetting...?

16:32:11 [MrZenith] nope, but you'd have trouble with the Swedish.

16:32:45 [MissParker] lol yes I would...so don't you dare!...if you don't want me to sic Chelle on you!

16:33:15 [krisrussel] when I logged in I changed the 'stay logged in' time to forever... shouldn't be a problem anymore

16:33:18 [MissParker] wow...we are so over the chat time....

16:33:26 [MissParker] Quick sim update...

16:33:32 [MrZenith] Don't worry... I'll behave...

16:33:43 [MissParker] Sim 2 is on the way to Azores, Portugal...thank you Z!

16:33:49 [krisrussel] yay Sim update :^)

16:34:07 [MissParker] Sim 1 is...yikes!...I am not sure where Sim 1 is...

16:34:57 [Mira] oh, the azores

16:35:13 [MissParker] Ok...my bad...i meant to email the addy for jarodsgirl...i don't think i have done that yet...

16:36:34 [MissParker] yep...that's where Allura is Mira.

16:36:37 [krisrussel] I have an idea for a new board under 'The Pretender Network'... 'Local networks'... fans from the same locations/countries can find each other here... or something like that ;^)

16:36:54 [MissParker] excellent idea kris!

16:39:10 [MissParker] ok i finally sent the email to jarodsgirl

16:40:26 [krisrussel] thx

16:40:33 [krisrussel] yay MP

16:40:46 [MissParker] kris...how do we set up the child boards...? i don't think we can afford to have one for every country....

16:41:04 [MissParker] perhaps...one for every continent?

16:41:12 [Mira] How about continent ish boards?

16:41:36 [MissParker] yeah...i think that could work...

16:41:36 [Mira] As I was thinking of adding such a poll, continent location of fans

16:42:10 [MissParker] ok Mira...good idea! we actually did have something like that at the Official Online Team board...do you remember?

16:43:39 [Mira] No, can't say I do

16:44:24 [Mira] hmm, a straight to dvd release movie can be a telefilm or feature film, or is it really just something by itself?

16:44:58 [krisrussel] I wouldn't make child boards... just let people post their own region... example: I can post "Belgian fans thread" or something like that...

16:45:01 [MissParker] i have no idea Mira...re straight-to-dvd release

16:45:20 [MissParker] no child boards..ok...easier for me!

16:46:01 [Ruben20] Feature film. TV-movies are produced for the intent to be shown on television.

16:46:22 [Mira] So it would be a feature film?

16:46:25 [MissParker] Hey Ruben...sorry I didn't realise you were here til now!

16:46:51 [Ruben20] I can't blame you

16:46:54 [Mira] But a straight to dvd release could still be a thing by itself, hmm.

16:47:58 [MissParker] ok...that reminds me...who's up for sending a letter to Fox? we have addresses to try...with our SASE etc...well some of you may need SASE's ...

16:48:15 [MissParker] Ruben, you need a SASE don't you?

16:48:30 [MissParker] I do...I still haven't found those stamps I know i have somewhere...

16:49:00 [Ruben20] Yes. I have one (from the letter i received in return), but i'm gonna send two, so another one would be appreciated.

16:49:27 [MissParker] ok Ruben, will ask Melissa to send us both one...

16:50:39 [Ruben20] You have a point, Mira. A feature film is also a film that's first and foremost made for theatres. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-to-DVD

16:51:15 [MissParker] interesting! Thanks for the link Ruben!

16:51:40 [Mira] Yeah, maybe I should include the straight to dvd release thing after all.

16:51:48 [Mira] As they'd just do it for the sake of doing it..

16:54:06 [Mira] * Mira grins at Kris and adds "either of the above!"

16:54:17 [Mira] But most do have a preference, I think

16:55:07 [MissParker] not me! i have no preference! i want any of the above!

16:55:33 [MissParker] i don't think we have the luxury of preference right now...unfortunately

16:55:48 [MissParker] oops...have you all looked at PretenderCentre?

16:56:41 [krisrussel] oh no... for me it's either... I'd be happy with something... don't care what...

16:57:15 [krisrussel] oh, you could also add 'book'

16:57:21 [Mira] And so the tP movies were telemovies, yes?

16:57:31 [MissParker] seems that Ravengurl was suggesting we migrate there....i am already a member...but i didn't want to impose the Sims blogging there...seems like they already have a lot of boards...and it would be nice to have people at the campaign boards to bring attention to the campaign ...

16:57:40 [MissParker] yes they were Mira

16:57:56 [MissParker] yep, book is an option...but it's the only option i won't pick!

16:58:05 [MissParker] i refuse to accept a book...no actors!

16:58:34 [krisrussel] lol true MP but at least we'd have some closure...

16:59:46 [MissParker] yeah i know...but...*still baulking*

17:00:57 [Mira] oh, righto, boooks

17:01:56 [Ruben20] Books...me don't like that - to know what happens before you actually see it is just...a no-no

17:02:03 [Mira] hehe, i thought of another option

17:04:51 [krisrussel] errr... why did my 'either' vote switch to 'miniseries'??

17:05:16 [krisrussel] btw: I love that new option :

17:05:56 [krisrussel] I just resubmitted my vote...

17:07:22 [Mira] hehehe..

17:08:34 [Mira] kris, prolly 'cause I added options earlier, but it is possible to change vote, yes

[Mira and MP go on and on about what to include in the options for where are you located based on "continent" definitions! ]

17:14:49 [MissParker] it's not about what the "traditional" continents are...it's about including all Pretender fans...we don't want to alienate everyone...

17:14:49 [Mira] hehe, yes

17:15:29 [Mira] As Pangea was once around, and now it's not

17:15:47 [MissParker] yeah...

17:18:56 [MissParker] ok...well, we are definitely waaaay over time...do we have any volunteers for new Fox letters?

17:19:42 [Ruben20] Come on, people! For the cause!

17:20:08 [krisrussel] you can always count me in

17:20:11 [MissParker] Thank you Ruben!

17:20:12 [Mira] * Mira takes a step backwards and assigns all else as volounteers

17:20:16 [MissParker] ok kris, great!

17:20:36 [MissParker] Bad Mira!!

17:20:49 [krisrussel] lol Mira

17:21:52 [Mira] *looks all innocent*

17:22:33 [MissParker] we have 8 more to assign...it's really not that hard to send a letter... c'mon Mira!

17:22:55 [Mira] Well, ok then

17:22:56 [MissParker]  no pressure....but this is for the cause!

17:23:00 [MissParker] yay!!

17:23:05 [Mira] But I just send a letter, nothing else?

17:23:44 [MissParker] well, you must have a SASE to include with the letter, but that's really all...and you let us know the outcome of the letter...

17:24:05 [Mira] SASE?

17:24:22 [MissParker] mattali or Melissa can send you both a SASE...to include with the letter...we even have letter templates...so you don't have to think about what to write...

17:24:33 [MissParker] Self-addressed Stamped Envelope

17:25:06 [MissParker]  ...it will probably have a US address though...so that if it is used, the response goes to Melissa or mattali

17:26:02 [Mira] aaah I see

17:26:26 [MissParker] i've kept you all late enough as it is...i will post your address assignment at the campaign mb here:

17:26:26 [Mira] I suppose I'll get instructions and stuff emailed out in full to me?

17:26:33 [Mira] Or directed to some thread

17:26:36 [MissParker] http://www.thepretenderfans.com/mb/index.php?topic=892.new#new

17:26:38 [MissParker] that's correct

17:26:59 [MissParker] i will post the instructions there too...although they are also at the GGL blog

17:27:32 [Mira] hmm, urls are popping out of the usual post text that much

17:27:53 [Mira] But the admin can fiddle with that a bit?

17:28:10 [Mira] The colour font difference is barely noticeable for me.

17:28:23 [MissParker] oh you mean the colour of the links?

17:28:40 [Mira] urls in a post, one can barely tell they are urls and not plain text, yes

17:28:52 [MissParker] Yes, I will have to see what Chelle can do about that...don't think i can fiddle with it....

17:30:01 [Mira] Goody

17:33:59 [MissParker] watch out for your Fox addy...and info...

17:35:13 [MissParker] btw, everyone...re the chat transcript...it will be at the GGL blog as usual after Fox goes read-only...don't think i wanna post at the campaign mb

17:35:36 [krisrussel] heck... missed Mira... I should get to bed too.. need some sleep before I leave for NY on saturday...

17:35:56 [krisrussel] oh that reminds me... don't forget I won't be on next week

17:36:31 [MrZenith] well, have fun in NY, kris.

17:36:46 [MissParker] Can everyone look out for the roster starting up this weekend...will post at the campaign mb, CPF and also at FrustratedTpFans to let everyone know who goes first...and what the procedure is...

17:36:55 [MissParker] yeah kris...have fun in NY!

17:37:44 [MissParker] Ruben are you registered at the campaign mb?

17:37:48 [krisrussel] lol MP, according to the forum you are doing an unknown action

17:37:55 [MissParker] we're migrating the GGL Sims blog there...

17:38:01 [MissParker] lol haha

17:38:10 [MissParker] i was searching for Ruben's name

17:38:17 [krisrussel] thx guys... I'll have a blast there

17:38:25 [krisrussel] lol

17:40:28 [krisrussel] anyways, I really have to get going now... cu guys in two weeks

17:40:31 [MissParker]  ok...i'll let you all get to sleep now...it's way too late for me to be keeping you here!

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