20:59:32 [MissParker] Agenda will be flipped today...

20:59:38 [MissParker] Bulletins!

21:00:06 [MissParker] Anyone remembered?

21:00:09 [MissParker] I did!

21:00:17 [krisrussel] *hides*

21:00:25 [MissParker] lol

21:00:26 [krisrussel] I need a reminder for that :^/

21:00:34 [MissParker] Did you at least remember kris?

21:00:44 [MissParker] I guess not

21:00:53 [krisrussel] I remember when I wasn't at a computer :^/

21:01:08 [MissParker] I think I better set up something on the calendar at FrustratedTpFans....

21:01:14 [MissParker] lol

21:01:21 [krisrussel] good idea...

21:01:27 [MissParker] I think I better post one at Youtube...I printed mine but have not put them up yet...the month is almost over

21:01:35 [krisrussel] and put the txt for the bulletin in the reminder...

21:01:57 [MissParker] Good idea...but you know there is a download link for the document, don't you?

21:02:07 [krisrussel] I'm gonna spread some of them at the only Belgian sci-fi con in october...

21:02:44 [krisrussel] yeah I know... but by the time I find the link... I prefer things to be simple ;^)

21:03:16 [MissParker] yay kris!

21:03:23 [MissParker] ok I understand about the link

21:03:40 [MissParker] ok next up...Scifi letters...

21:03:57 [MissParker] we have a roster up for the daily email

21:04:06 [MissParker] Did everyone see that?

21:04:23 [MrZenith] I did not see anything.

21:04:34 [krisrussel] yup I saw... and put a reminder in my calender...

21:04:49 [Ruben20] Where can we see the roster?

21:04:52 [krisrussel] but I saw it too late to post it on monday... will do netx week..

21:04:53 [MissParker] Prolly because you don't get the group email Z...where should I post this so you can read it...?

21:05:01 [MissParker] ok good kris

21:05:13 [MissParker] I'll post it at Fox forum...easiest

21:05:22 [MrZenith] do that.

21:05:26 [MissParker] Ok Z?

21:05:31 [MissParker] ok!

21:05:56 [MissParker] Next...the Lost Red Notebooks project and Anniversary Challenge

21:06:27 [Ruben20] The notebook project is comprehensive

21:06:33 [MissParker] Well, that's just an update for you guys...I have to work on the instructions and the article for the challenge...

21:06:45 [krisrussel] ok

21:07:16 [MissParker] And I hope to do that soon, ...

21:07:27 [krisrussel] :^)

21:08:03 [MissParker] But be ready to do at least one for the challenge on September 19...

21:08:30 [krisrussel] ok

21:08:50 [MissParker] In fact, I'd suggest you can register your RN even before you make it...but that means you'd have to know how to do that at the bookcrossing site....have you all visited it yet?

21:09:25 [krisrussel] yup... once or twice... it's very overwhelming...

21:09:41 [MrZenith] visited, yes. done anything more, no?

21:09:47 [MrZenith] *.

21:10:12 [MissParker] lol

21:10:22 [MissParker] Try registering at least....

21:10:28 [MissParker]  pretty please!

21:11:16 [krisrussel] I'll try :^/

21:14:05 [MissParker] ok good kris!

21:14:51 [MissParker] Next up: Sims update

21:14:56 [MissParker] Any news?

21:15:16 [krisrussel] not that I know of

21:16:05 [MissParker] yeah....i just logged in...it does not seem so...

21:16:16 [MissParker] this is the longest lag isn't it...?

21:16:22 [krisrussel]

21:16:26 [krisrussel] yup

21:16:40 [MissParker] ok LJ login is all that's next and that's me...i'll login now...

21:17:04 [krisrussel] maybe we should let her/him out of the final GGL...

21:17:10 [krisrussel] ok

21:18:23 [MissParker] Well, they have not posted if they received it yet though...

21:18:39 [MissParker] SO....honour code prevails...we hope it's because of the mail....

21:18:46 [MissParker] ok login is done!

21:19:05 [krisrussel] ok, we'll wait another week than...

21:19:27 [MissParker] What should we do after that?

21:19:52 [MissParker] We didn't have a contingency for this....not really...are we to assume it's lost?

21:19:54 [krisrussel] I dunno really :^/

21:20:17 [MissParker] I know... me either..

21:20:30 [krisrussel] it's been three or four weeks

21:20:56 [MissParker] Will chat with Melissa...see if she has a suggestion...

21:21:14 [MissParker] Leanda did say the mail service was very slow....

21:21:15 [krisrussel] ok

21:21:32 [krisrussel] yeah, but this is ridiculous

21:24:17 [MissParker] it is...i'm just checking to see what she said about mail options in the survey...

21:24:43 [krisrussel] ok

21:25:02 [MissParker] the crazy thing is...it's going from South Africa to an island in Portugal, i.e. not on the mainland portugal...I think that might be the problem...

21:27:36 [krisrussel] could be...

21:28:07 [MissParker] She did say she would use a method with delivery confirmation...

21:28:31 [krisrussel] that should go a bit faster...

21:28:32 [MissParker] I will ask her to try and call her post office to see if there is a problem

21:28:39 [MissParker] And same for Allura/Sam

21:29:02 [krisrussel] ok

21:29:36 [Ruben20] I’ve been thinking: Most of the projects we suggest and start to work on, are long-term projects. The only one we’ve gotten on the way with, is the GGL-project. Other than that, we have harvested little fruit of our labour. I gotta tell you, I am starting to loose a bit of faith in those projects

21:29:39 [Ruben20] because they take too long. IMO, we should put all our efforts into –one- project – a simple, but clear and effective project.

21:30:40 [MissParker] I know what you mean Ruben...which one do you think we should put our efforts into?

21:30:55 [MissParker] Van24 is working on getting the PEZ project off the ground...

21:31:02 [MissParker] btw Ruben, today is your day....for the Scifi letter...

21:31:12 [MissParker] Any chance you can get it sent today?

21:32:58 [Ruben20] The pez-project is the one. The sci-fi letter? Sure, i can send it, but i don't know which adress.

21:34:14 [MissParker] I just posted the message at Fox forum....the address is there...

21:34:27 [MissParker] feedback@scifi.com

21:34:48 [MissParker] mattali is also sending us an extra SASE to use the snail mail Scifi address

21:34:48 [Ruben20] Okay, thanks. Will do that.

21:34:58 [MissParker] np

21:35:50 [krisrussel] oh yeah, I got my SASE... to who should I send it again??

21:36:43 [MissParker] Well, I agree it would be nice to have a project that is simple clear and effective....but some things are not so easy to obtain...e.g. the Bulletin project is simple enough...but it's effectiveness is tempered by participation...we just have to keep brainstorming I guess....

21:36:49 [MissParker] hold on kris

21:38:12 [Ruben20] The problem with the bulletin project is that it's not aimed directly at Fox, scifi or whoever. It's a project to collects fans to participate, and that's a long-term, neverending type of project. Do we have the time for that?

21:39:28 [MissParker] http://www.thepretenderfans.com/mb/index.php?topic=892.msg1413#msg1413 kris your address is here

21:39:48 [krisrussel] ok thx

21:40:26 [MissParker] It's true Ruben that it's not directed at Fox...so maybe a bad example...but I don't think we should discount it...because at the moment, active numbers of fans are what we need and this project can bring us that....if it is executed well....

21:40:29 [MissParker] yw kris

21:42:38 [krisrussel] what letter do I use again... I hate my bad memory...

21:42:59 [MissParker] lol it's ok...hold on

21:43:27 [MissParker] template: http://www.4shared.com/dir/2716786/aa7944c6/Fox_Letters.html

21:43:44 [Ruben20] Sure, it's a nice enough project to do on the side, but it would be easier for the newcomers if they only had to deal with one simple project. I don't know... we meet here twice a week, week after week, and still there aren't many signs of fruits. I don't mean to act like an ass here, but we need

21:43:48 [Ruben20] results.

21:44:12 [MrZenith] for once, I agree with Ruben.

21:44:38 [krisrussel] thx for the link :^)

21:44:39 [MissParker] lol {@ Z}

21:45:09 [Ruben20] Anyways, i have to go. I'll try to have the letter sent off asap. And then there's Fox to worry about... Well, good night!

21:45:33 [MissParker] It's not unreasonable to want results....but I don't know what to say to convince you that it is all on us to create the results we want...

21:46:06 [MissParker] we are the ones who control that....and the PTB of course....so the results are a direct reflection of our efforts....

21:46:10 [MissParker] sadly

21:46:48 [krisrussel] I agree with both Ruben and MP... It's very frustrating that all our work usually goes to waste, but we have to keep trying...

21:47:13 [MissParker] and i know the GGL is a "big" and lengthy endeavour...but it brought us together and if anyone has something to suggest that might be more effective, you KNOW I will be there to make a move to start it as long as it's within my power....

21:48:23 [MissParker] So perhaps we need to do some serious brainstorming...or look up on other campaign websites and find out what we cannot think up ourselves...

21:49:21 [MissParker] i agree with Ruben...I want results too  It's not that I'm happy to tool along as usual everyday...i want an ending/closure/whatever sooner rather than later!

21:49:43 [MissParker] And kris, thanks for trying to see both sides...but don't worry, we are not at war!

21:51:07 [MissParker] I' m going to MTW's play on Saturday 29th...any suggestions on what I can say to him or give to him that can help us?

21:51:21 [krisrussel] I know... just voicing my opinion ;^)

21:51:34 [MissParker]

21:54:26 [MissParker] Ok...well....we have some food for thought....let's adjourn...til Thurs at 4pm EST

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